Just caught up on some fractured shard of the Wil Wheaton story.
- 60 reports/day are enough to overwhelm a volunteer admin
- dogpiling can be effective even when coped with by paid staff, historical tracking & analysis, carefully-written policies (see birdsite gamergaters & terfs)z
- the dogpile technique is therefore more effective here
- it's just proven its effectiveness against a celebrity target
Expect a lot more of it. 1/2
The only defense is the stubbornness of individual volunteer administrators.
The worst speech is therefore going to continue to drive out desirable speech here. 2/2
Well, that was depressing. This is the only viable replacement for Twitter we've got at the moment.
@ceejbot It's a social problem not a technology problem. Federation doesn't solve the social problem, but I never expected it to. It just gives us a choice of providers so we can hope that one of them will find a way to solve the social problem (or at least resist it).
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@ceejbot Say Wheaton had started using a personal instance, so the admin reports wouldn't be an issue - as the admin and sole member of the instance, he could just ignore them. He'd still have to spend all day blocking people dogpiling him. Meanwhile, people on other instances could freely call for his continued dogpiling. There are lots of instances that wouldn't stop it, or would even encourage it.
The decentralized, federated nature of Mastodon seems to make it REALLY hard to moderate.
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@Robby Strength & weakness: we're not held hostage by, say, Twitter's weird love of Nazis, but then the Nazis aren't held hostage by what law enforcement Twitter *does* have to comply with.
Centralization is not a solution either. Did you read Motherboard's amazing article about FB's moderation problem? https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xwk9zd/how-facebook-content-moderation-works
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@ceejbot I didn't mean to imply that decentralization is bad per se. Certainly centralization has major challenges even with a good, moral mod team (which none of the big social media sites have, obvs), but decentralization does pose unique problems.
I'll be very interested in seeing the solution as they arise, but I'm having a hard time thinking of any.
(Thanks for the article link, I will give it a read.)
@ceejbot Since instances in the Fediverse can block entire instances, I could see how fractured sub-networks might form to mitigate the dog-piling and bad speech. Blocking bad instances could be a way to coerce the administrators of those instances to suspend bad accounts and enforce overall community norms. Maybe I’m just being too optimistic, though.
@ramsey @ceejbot I’ve mentioned this in a similar thread before - this is exactly how Fidonet worked. Instead of instances it was individual BBS, and the forums were moderated by making Sysops responsible for the acts of their users. Moderators could ban a BBS with all its users from the whole network(!) if the sysop did not remove a user on request. I was a moderator and I can assure you that sysops helped eagerly to educate their users to follow community rules.
Ceejbot's mastodon instance. This is an overprovisioned, personally-run instance running on AWS. I welcome friends to create accounts here. I intend to run it as long as people are using it.